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Kaneratahere Delisle m. Elisabeth Kaherori Seguin | Evelyn in Montreal

Gisele Haddow left the following message under a post about Joseph Tiiawekate Kanenho Delisle & Marie Tionahose Capitaine.

I am a descendent of Seguin’s. My records indicate that Joseph-Athanase Seguin married Jeanne Brabant on 10 Jan 1803 in Oka, PQ. If these are Elisabeth Kaherori Seguin’s parents, where did the Native name come from? e.g. “Kaherori” for Seguins? I am convinced that we have Native heritage however there is little mention of it except in the case of the marriage between Louis Seguin Laderoute and Marie-Anne Raizenne Shoentakouan. Please reply and perhaps advise where to go for more information. Thanks

The bans for this marriage were posted in Two Mountains and St. Benoit as well as Kahnawake because Elizabeth was  “the underage daughter of Joseph Seguin, carpenter from Lake of Two Mountains and Jeanne Braban, now residing in St- Benoit.”

 

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January 20, 2011 - Posted by | . | , , ,

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  1. Thank you very much for the information. Were the Seguin’s Native? Did the native names apply to them only in Kahnawake? or were they also used in Deux Montagnes and Oka? Please direct me to a site where I can obtain more information. Many of my Seguin relatives have native features and colouring. My mother was Laurette Seguin and she states that her ancestors were native as well as French Canadian.

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    Comment by giselle haddow | January 20, 2011 | Reply

  2. The origin of native names may not seem straightforward to us today but looking for an equivalence with the European style name is rarely the explanation.
    This may be only a small issue for you, it isn’t very clear to me, but if you want to know more let me know here.

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    Comment by pouliot | January 29, 2011 | Reply

    • this reply is long in coming; however, hoping you can shed some light on the situation of native in seguin blood-line. As stated where did the name Kaherori originate? joseph-athanase seguin married jeanne braban. Why was he also known as joseph kaherori. Was he of native blood? was jeanne braban? If she was, then there is obviously native blood in my ancestors. I have some cousins who look very native with very dark colouring.

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      Comment by giselle haddow | November 20, 2011 | Reply

      • As I have been given to understand native names are bestowed by the clan mother of the clan into which the child is born. The names are considered as belonging to the clan. From principles of usage we can suppose that Joseph was known in his contemporary native community, perhaps in his family as Kaherori.
        The name Joseph was given to him at his baptism, most likely. His family was known to the Europeans, largely the Church, as Seguin’s.
        The clan name would generally be coordinated by the clan mother so as not to use a name already bestowed on anyone still living, or a name of someone deceased who would still be remembered by anyone in the settlement. As far as I know, names were not frequently reused, even after several generations.

        I suppose it is possible for a clan name bestowed in Kanawake to also exist contemporaneously in Deux Montagnes or any other native settlement area. I do not know how likely it is that the “management” of clan names would extend between the contemporaneous communities. Absent any independent documentation I would not presume that a “Kaherori” in Deux Montagnes was in any way connected with a “Kaherori” in Kanawake. If the dates did not make it impossible, or if the life-event wasn’t incompatible with known facts, I would sooner believe it was the same individual simply recorded in both communities. All available facts would need to be considered & absent a record establishing the exact case, anything along such lines would need to be treated as merely an hypothesis. Are you dealing with an instance of such a duplication?

        (The long delay between exchanges might be shortened if you wrote to pouliot using [at]lycos.com directly.)

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        Comment by R Pouliot | November 27, 2011 | Reply


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